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Jamie Freestone's avatar

Another banger. I only skimmed the paper, but one thought I had was about irony (which I've been pondering for a long time without success).

Assume a three-player game with a speaker and two listeners: one naive, one savvy. The speaker wants to form a closer social bond with the savvy listener, who has a better sense of mirth, & exclude the naive listener. In the simplest case of verbal irony (sarcasm), they do something quite sophisticated & generally neglected by scholars of language: they send a signal that has two intended meanings, a literal one for the naive listener, an ironic one for the savvy listener. I think many forms of humour (including some of the absurd stuff you mention) are about forming an elite or high-status coalition, signalled by the use of irony (speech or other performance that is confusing or banal to a naif, funny or clever to the cognoscenti).

This can get more complicated & exclusive as more & more additional knowledge is required to "get" the ironic meanings. E.g. one needs knowledge of the conventions of some art form in order for their ironic subversion or absence to be understood, one needs insider political/cultural knowledge to get satire, etc. But ultimately it's about signalling & status. My own taste is towards hyper-ironic work that bends so far back on itself that it's not even about anything — the joke being the absurdity of all things. & even though I consume this privately it must on some level be about colluding with the author & feeling I'm savvy enough to be part of an elite.

Ken Hobbs's avatar

In the Succession example, I’m not sure serious and mirthful could be plotted on an x,y diagram. Logan was always serious but was sometimes mirthful even when he didn’t intend it. The kids were never serious even when they intended it but were usually mirthful. Each variable needs to be considered from the perspective of the deliverer and the deliveree.

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